This is awesome. Now every country should follow suit.
Honestly.. a I mother can give things to a child that a father can not, albeit the mother is not always the obvious choice, and shouldn’t necessarily be a given.
Equality does not mean that there are no differences.
Equality means that despite the differences (e.g. woman generally care more for babies) individuals can differ (there are great single dads out there – better than their divorced spouses) and should not be judged according to the gender’s average.
a man is just as capable of caring for a baby, many women use the babies for the child support and yes there are a lot of dead beat dads who need to step up
The point is not ALL men are just as capable of caring for a baby, they need to be judged on a case by case basis. Saying “a man is just as capable” is as incredibly stupid as saying “women are more capable”. The deciding factor of aptitude has absolutely nothing to do with gender.
first off unlike you i don’t judge what he said i merely added my opinion, secondly i stand by my opinion all men can care for a child as good as a women many choose not to do so
Not judging? You’re making a ridiculous assumption on both counts. I know plenty of men capable of raising a child, if my father had raised us we wouldn’t have made it to ten. The same goes for my husband. NOT all men can care for a child, sorry but that’s a fact. The reason isn’t because they’re men, they just aren’t good caretakers. Not all women are either, you CAN’T say “ALL men can do —” or “ALL women can do —” it’s not going to hold true for everyone, and you can’t lump an entire gender together and assume they’re all good at the same thing. It’s really, really stupid to even try. My entire point is each person needs to looked at objectively without gender as a consideration in their capabilities, sorry but that’s the least judgmental way to handle any situation.
there you go again i’m trying to be civil but you’re not making it easy, because we differ in opinion my opinion is a ridiculous assumption. If I were you I’d think really hard before responding and then maybe you would realize where you went wrong
Now you’re just being silly.
and it continues please do me a favor and don’t respond i see no point in talking to you any further, I’ll leave you with a parting gift
I think you read something into psage’s comment that wasn’t there, it seems you both initially agreed with each other, then starting disagreeing.
Just as a father can give things a mother cannot.
And then crazy feminists claim that sexism is exclusive to women…
Faux feminists you mean. Real feminists are focused only on equality, even if that means giving men more rights than before, like in custody or spousal abuse cases. I know plenty of men that have a lot more business raising a kid than their gf/wife.
Yeah, ‘faux feminists’ is more accurate. Though faux feminists are pretty crazy, you have to admit…
Nuts enough to give us all a bad name, admitting you’re a feminist right now is essentially asking for a ridiculous fight. Honestly everyone should be a feminist (yes, including men) because equality is best for everyone. Feminism started because women were getting pretty screwed back in the day, but it definitely goes both ways now. No one should be judged on their gender and stupid stereotypes, and that includes affirmative action that gives women a better chance at a job or college. That stuff isn’t helping anyone.
I think it’s the word ‘feminist’ that’s turning people away as well. It makes it sound like it’s all about the women.
It’s a combination of the loud mouthed faux feminists and the word. When it started it was all about women, divorce didn’t really happen often so there wasn’t a custody issue screwing men over, and women weren’t really in the workforce except as secretaries or the help. The definition has always been equality for all, but obviously tilted towards gaining rights for the disenfranchised, unfortunately in the effort to help women gain equal treatment men are getting left behind. The world needs more feminists (humanists are different), especially men, and a whole lot less straight up female supremacists ruining it for absolutely everyone.
Sorry, I have a problem with the label, not the definition. Any chance we could use equalist?
I quite enjoy the term “feminazis.”
As someone who has family that survived the prison camps, I can’t exactly get on board with equating these idiots with murderers hell bent on the total annihilation of entire group of people, but yeah, whatever floats your boat.
Actually studies have shown that if the father actually wants custody he gets it far more often. Family courts are often wrongly perceived to be unfair to men, but the reality is that fathers in general are less likely to seek custody. For example one study in Massachusetts showed that although only 8% of fathers sought custody, overall in all custody battles they wound up getting full custody 41% of the time.
If men get custody 41% of the time, then they get it less often than women.
That is a mathematical truth, however if you take into account that every case is unique, I would class 41% as being within a margin that shows it to be fair, especially since there is likely to be a third option (neither parent) making up the 100%.
Here is a question i would like to pose to my fellow lolsnappers. If a woman chooses to keep a baby and force a man to pay child support for a baby he does NOT want. Should a man be able to force a woman to carry a baby that he WANTs (shes alrdy pregnant at this point and not picking a stranger at random) even she does not? Heard a story a several years back about a similar situation so i figured i would see what others think.
I’m not sure if I follow, but…
If she willingly had sex with him, I think she shouldn’t be able to terminate the pregancy. As long as the guy in question stable enough to support a child, that is. I don’t agree with forcing to play child support though.
So you dont agree with the notion that it takes 2 to make a baby and if he helped make it he should help take care of it?
It takes two to make it, but it doesn’t take two to raise it
edit: to be fair, I’d find it difficult to have a solid opinion on this one, let alone be able to justify a law or something on it. It’s always circumstantial
Fair enough. TY =)
I think that a woman should have absolute control over whether or not she wants to carry and give birth to a baby. If a woman wants to keep a baby while the father does not, then she (or the government) has no right to demand that that man pay child support, and that man has no right to seek parental rights at any point in the child’s life. With that established, obviously a man cannot force an unwilling woman to go through pregnancy. Even if that isn’t established, I’d still nut punch any fucker that tried.
I also think that, instead of whining about abortion all the time, we should put more effort into finding a way to take an embryo out of one woman and put it into another. That would pretty much mitigate the need for abortion, and make this whole discussion unnecessary.
Very well put. I want to add that most states even though a man lets say during a one night stand does not want the baby a woman can have the baby and force the man to pay child support. I am unsure the technicalities behind it but they arent always able to surrender parental rights and are forced by law to pay child support.
I’m not an expert but I believe the technicalities behind it is the fact that once a child is born both the mother and father are obligated to care for the child.
A woman’s right to an abortion isn’t an issue of whether she has to take responsibility and care for her child once it’s born but an issue of her ability to undergo what is considered a medical procedure.
Nobody has the right to either say another can’t undergo a medical procedure and/or force another to have a medical procedure (excepting when the person is incapable of giving consent and it’s reasonable to assume they would consent..ie life is in danger) thus giving women that right. Saying that a woman has to bear full responsibility for a baby if she chooses not to undergo an abortion is essentially forcing her to have the abortion if she’s incapable of caring for the child by herself.
Course, I could be wrong about the reasoning behind the law but the above is what seems most logical to me based on precedent and what I know about America’s legal system.
Disagree. He should have wrapped it up if he didn’t want rug rats.
And she should be on the pill or have condoms of her own if she doesn’t want any. Until you know someone really really well, the only way you should have sex is with the assumption that you are solely responsible for birth control.
I agree, but I would rather be double-bagged than trust anyone else’s methods.
Oh hell yes!
Exactly, you got it!
You raise some good points, a father not wanting to be a father will do more harm than any amount of money he could give to support the child. What scares me is the number of people that fall pregnant off of one night stands and at the beginning of relationships, which means they’re having unprotected sex with practically a stranger, do you not stop to think about std’s or aids?
I’m with Ara on this. A man should be able to sign a paper abdicating all rights and responsibilities to and for the child, after which he could not be held responsible for child support but would also never have any further parental claim. Also I really like the idea of being able to transplant a baby. I’d also like to be able to transplant a baby into a man (which would hypothetically be possible) so anyone who is against abortion can adopt an unwanted fetus of their own to save a life.
My suspicion is that public outcry against abortion would drop off sharply when people who insist it’s murder are faced with the choice of either carrying a baby or, through refusal to take action, aiding and abetting a murder. Even if I’m wrong, it would still be a great thing to be able to do.
Nope, no individual should have the right to impose anything on another person, especially carrying a pregnancy to full term. If you don’t want to pay child support, keep it in your pants, at least until you’ve met someone you wouldn’t mind raising a child with. Or get the snip.
Im sure you didnt mean to but it looks like you put all the blame on the male. Anyway, a what if scenerio… girl on pill, guy wearing condom. Still end up preggers and the guy doesnt want. How would you react then? I mean you did the smart thing and took the proper precautions. If this sites forum has taught us anything is that males are not so willing to turn down sex (or bacon).
No matter the precautions you take, there is always a chance of pregnancy, that is the natural outcome of intercourse. If a man has sex with a woman, he is trusting her to be the potential other parent of his child, or not. It would be a massive assumption to assume she would keep a pregnancy purely to meet his desires. If he doesn’t know her well enough to know if she would do this, then he can only blame himself.
That may seem harsh, but it is common knowledge that only a female can carry a pregnancy, if having a baby is the reason he is having sex, surely she should know about it in advance.
Fair enough. ty =)
Not only do I agree, I think that there should be mandatory genetic testing so that the biological father is forced to pay for the child.
Should make up for the fact that they’re fucking us up with every other laws they’re establishing right now
I wish people would refrain from treating children like chattels with words like parental claims or parental rights. That sort of language sounds like you are fighting over a gold mine. How about parental responsibilites becoming the main focus?
According to me its better then this because http://bit.ly/1jP7iTj
Agree with this but hate the title. Because equality for women isn’t real equality?
I don`t think you understand the word equality, if equality is just for men or women there is no longer any equality
Read what I wrote before you go typing willy nilly
The title assumes that the rights that women fight for are NOT real equality whereas men’s rights are. The title is true that it is real equality, but put into the context of when people talk about this issue, it’s a complaint about women’s rights.
Mexico is a leader in gender equality? And they’re actually wrong.