Found this in a local church


  • Secgu76

    Keep in mind that not agreeing with the lifestyle they have chosen to live is NOT an attack. But I agree 100%

    • Ben

      I think that the post seems to be more about ‘christians’ bashing gays, not people who have made a choice about their lifestyle (eg obese, religious, team supporter etc).

      • Secgu76

        And I’m saying that just because I don’t agree with the lifestyle a person may have chosen to live out is NOT an attack/bashing on that person.

        • Ben

          And I’m just saying that referring to Homosexuality as a lifestyle choice IS an attack on that person, unless you are of the opinion that we are all fundamentally bisexual, in which case I apologise.

          • Secgu76

            I’m sorry you feel that way.

        • Christine

          Of course it is. Sexuality of any type isn’t a “lifestyle”. It is a life. When you attack the core of a person’s being, you are attacking that person. So get off your high horse and stop being a dick.

          • Secgu76

            The core? Since when is a person’s sexual preference the core of their existence? That’s ridiculous.

        • Octopus of Disapproval

          Yes it is. It’s like racism. Maybe you don’t think it’s right to kill every black person, but you think it’s ok to make them feel unwelcome. You’re a NIMBY, not in my backyard. Where do you expect these people to live? If it’s ok to make them feel unwelcome, it’s ok to deny them service ie. food, lodging, work. So they’ll just gtfo right? You think one of your fellow anti-gay people is willing to beat or kill them, of course they are. And you have given your tacit approval, you have helped create a space where they are marginalized and unsafe.

          • Secgu76

            What are you babbling about? Make them feel unwelcome? Kill them? Are you insane?

          • Octopus of Disapproval

            I was talking about people MURDERING gay people, which is indeed happening, and how intolerance is a slippery slope.
            But I’m sorry you lack the cognitive acuity to understand my comment. I thought I had used simple enough language that a stupid animal could follow my reasoning. Obviously I was wrong. My apologies.

          • Secgu76

            No one said anything about making them feel unwelcome or murdering them. That is NOT loving. All I said was I don’t agree that homosexuality is okay. I’m not bashing anyone. I’m not killing someone. I’m merely saying I disagree. However, in your warped and twisted mind that equates to, “Murder the gays.” You’re ridiculous.

          • Octopus of Disapproval

            You don’t love them. You’re ridiculous if you think you are making the world a better place with your disapproval and lack of understanding. You’re ridiculous if you think if you think you don’t support a culture of oppression.

          • Secgu76

            If you say so.

    • Daupkee

      Please enlighten me, what exactly do you mean with “the lifestyle they have chosen to live”?

      • Secgu76

        What are you not understanding?

        • Daupkee

          Well, if by “they” you mean -for example- promiscuous people, or couples that have sex before marriage, or people with tattoos, I agree with you, since that is a “chosen lifestyle”, being gay is not.

          • Vincent Wolf

            Just because they haven’t chosen it doesn’t means it’s any less repulsive, disgusting, wrong and unnatural and that we should just “love” and “accept” them. Am I also supposed to go about “loving” people with leprosy? What, why not, it’s not their fault, right?

          • Patchy

            Wow. You wouldn’t happen to be from the Southeast would you?

          • Vincent Wolf

            No. I’m not even from America. Oh? I’m sorry? Did you think all intolerant people come from same place? Nope. We’re all around the world. Did you probably think we’re all religious as well? Nope. I’m an atheist for example.

          • Mark Meerman

            Easy there Luke, you don’t have to use the force.

          • Vincent Wolf

            But Obiwan always tells me to!

          • Daupkee

            I will just assume you are a troll or a despicable, negligible individual. So either way, I will not play along with your retarded nonsense. Have a good one 🙂

          • Vincent Wolf

            “His opinion and views on things are different from mine, hence he’s a troll or a horrible individual!”
            You, sir or whatever, are a fucking retard. Goodbye.

          • Rev. Analbumcover

            His name is an anagram of “Fine TV Clown.”

            TV stands for television or transvestite. I think the choice here is obvious.

            I’m just sayin’.

          • Secgu76

            So you’re forced to be either gay or straight?

          • Daupkee

            “Forced”? You are born like that man. There are also bisexuals and transgender people out there, for example. But I was just pointing out that it is not a choice. People should know this by now.

          • Secgu76

            You may be born with your preference. But it’s your choice whether to heed that preference or go against the grain.

          • Daupkee

            Yes well basically it comes down to “live and die miserable hiding your preference or just… don’t”. If you are a heterosexual male, try to “choose” being with other men for the rest of your life and see how fulfilling that is.

          • Secgu76

            And if I wanted to do that, that would be the choice I make.

          • Daupkee

            But under what circumstances would someone in their sane mind “want” to go against their preference? Not to mention the simplest issue involving the male’s body biological response to arousal i.e. getting an erection xD

          • Secgu76

            They’re sick and tired of how the opposite gender treats them? So they want to go in a different direction? I know of a girl who was raped and due to the traumatic experience never wanted to be with a guy but still wanted to feel wanted and the comfort of another person.

          • Daupkee

            I am sorry for that girl, one should not generalize an entire gender based on how some individuals treated you, and until now I thought nobody did. If she is a heterosexual female who lost trust in men after a traumatic experience, she should seek psychological help in order to gain that trust, otherwise I think she will never feel fulfilled. Based on what you said, she did not “want” to be with women, she was “forced”. And not forced into becoming a lesbian, but into being with someone of your same sex despite her preference for men. But that is just my humble opinion. No psychologist here.

          • Secgu76

            We were great friends she just felt that experience was a sign that she was meant to be gay. She had no desire to seek treatment as she felt there was nothing wrong. She said it was a choice she made and she felt fine with it.

          • Octopus of Disapproval

            But trying to have sex with someone who not of ones preferred gender would go against the grain for that person. I sure don’t want to have sex with some man pretending to want me and most women don’t want that. Do you want to have sex with a woman who finds your body distasteful? Because that’s what used to happen.
            By against the grain you mean against the grain of you and the privileged majority. Why can’t people like you just accept that some people are born different, that it’s no big deal, and that it doesn’t affect them?

    • Kai

      Personally, I believe that being gay IS something you are born with, just like being transgender. I think that when the world was filled with sin, it was also filled with other problems and hard times, such as incurable diseases. I think a lot more about transgender issues than others (one of my best friends is transgender), so here’s my example. I think that transgender people have the brain of one gender and the body of another. And I think that people would not have been born that way if there wasn’t sin. Just like people wouldn’t be born with Down’s syndrome, or autism, or even bad eyesight. When it comes to gay people, I think some people are born being attracted to the same gender, which is not “normal” simply in the sense that that’s not how our bodies are created. Men and women’s sexual parts fit together naturally. But it’s certainly not their fault that they are born that way.
      No idea if it’s true, but just throwing my opinion out there.

  • Jackson

    Of course the bible isn’t used to attack people, that why we have this!

  • Inaba

    knowing christians, they’d say that being mean to gays is love, since they want them to find god

    • Kev_S

      You mustn’t know many actual Christians then.

      • Inaba

        luckily no, but the ones i watch argue on youtube would claim that you are the pretender
        everyone has their stupid idea of what the true religion is, and they cant even agree on it under the same roof, with the same icon stuck to the top of it
        atleast they try to follow their book, you just have yours on life support, dragging that dead horse to the wrong side of this millennia
        no true scotsman

        • Kev_S

          And there you go making assumptions about people you’ve never met – and you know what they say about assumptions, don’t you?

          Meanwhile, I think I hear some billy goats trip-trapping over your bridge.

          • Inaba

            it must be easy to wipe everything under the rug as soon as it conflicts with your world view
            the rest of us need to actually confront these people every day
            i’m sure you’d run into this shit if you pulled your head out of your ass and lurked a bit more
            the religious weirdo’s are all around us

          • Kev_S

            I don’t know, is it?
            “Need to confront”? Why, because their world views differ from your own? As for religious weirdos being all around us, I haven’t experienced it myself, at least not in my neck of the woods – they’re there but not all around us. I’ve met religious people who aren’t weird, and non-religious people who are – the weirdo bit seems to be the bit that sticks out, not the religion or lack of. Maybe that’s what happens when you take your head out of your arse and actually get out of the house.

          • Inaba

            they very much effect all our lives
            even though i live across the seas
            if you’ve seen the asinine shit they’re trying to push in america, you’d understand
            i fight misinformation wherever i find it
            you dont need to be a weirdo for me to despise you
            it’s enough that you keep fueling the fire by claiming to believe
            you may think that christians dont act that way, but it’s either the science denying extremists, or the enablers like you that keep these people from finding the medical help they need
            if you think that this doesn’t apply to those around you then good for you, but dont get butthurt over me criticizing the most dominant sect of the day
            re evaluate your life please

          • Kev_S

            You do make a cogent point about the extremists, but if they don’t adhere to the fundamental principles of “love thy neighbour” and “do unto others…” (i.e. treat people with kindness and respect) then they’re not the real deal. I should qualify my standpoint by saying that I’m Australian, and the full-on religiosity that America has become notorious for is not much of a thing in Australia – the “religious weirdos” are a very small minority here, and general fervour about religion isn’t a thing – you believe, you don’t believe, you’re undecided, whatever, if you’re the typical Australian you know you’ll stick out like a sore thumb if you’re out in the street preaching your beliefs. In my experience mainstream Christians (Catholic and Protestant) tend to be more interested in helping people and conducting themselves with compassion and integrity, and if you want to worship with them they tend to be welcoming and accommodating, but if it’s not your bag they tend not to push it. Unfortunately, like with a lot of groups there are the odd bad apples in the barrel. I’ve known quite a few atheists who were good people, their atheism being where the similarities end with the likes of Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot.

            Like you, I have an aversion to misinformation, hence my speaking up in the first place.

          • Inaba

            they justify any atrocity by just saying it’s good for the victim

          • Octopus of Disapproval

            I actually can’t even understand if you’re lambasting weirdo religious people who are anti-gay or homosexuals.

        • I am Sancho

          You base your opinions on what people say on YouTube? Holy shit! You have a lot to learn, kiddo.

          • Inaba

            you condescending sack of fuck
            the youtube scene is very much representative of todays christian zeitgeist
            it’s the only relevant part
            youtube is a megaphone that alot of crazies reach for
            and quite frankly, if you dont subscribe to the crazy shit, you dont really even qualify as a christian
            you are like any other new age spiritualists, you just decided to keep the name to avoid alienating your family
            when i went to america, i met alot of sweet christians, but they irk me even more than the crazies
            no one is denying they exist, i’m just saying that they are even worse
            if these sweet wholesome housewives didnt exist, fox news would go bankrupt and the fundamentalists would stick out like sore thumbs
            hopefully that answers your question
            which you made none of
            since you skipped straight to the insulting part

          • I am Sancho

            Hateful little wretch, aren’t you?

          • Inaba

            yes

  • Kai

    *grabs popcorn* I’m just here for the comments.

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