I have the same opinion about soda flavors


  • Mym Zy

    This can go wronf on so many ways but oh wells, here is my opinion:
    -Not being attracted to trans people is trasphobic: No its not.
    -A trans person not telling before DATING: if its dating I dont see why there is a need to be upfront, can happen too, both are ok. However, I do believe that is better to disclose before… snu-snu or things can go… bad.

    • CharlieTooHuman (Capt Obvious)

      To your first point, I agree…. if she is pre-op

      Your second point… I ONLY apply that to pre-op transexuals who still have a penis. Post-op is a different story, as I have heard (not from experience… yet lol) that a post-op vagina can be practically indistinguishable from a real vagina. Seeing that they have fully transitioned, I don’t think she should feel the obligation to disclose anything about her past. If a man enjoys her as a woman during sex, then what difference does it make if she was a male in the past?

      Anyway, I’ll leave this scene here because I think it raises some good questions (from both sides) regarding this topic and it really made me think about my position on transgendered dating:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHrXtzYC0Jc

      • FFrost

        What if the man wants to have children? There would at least need to be some discussion about the lack of reproductive ability.

        • CharlieTooHuman (Capt Obvious)

          I’m speaking in terms of sexual encounters and early dating, not long term relationships. Of course it will eventually have to be brought up if you plan on getting serious with someone.

    • Aidan Weiss-Rice

      If they are dating for a while, and then they say that they’re trans, and get dumped immediately, then they’re transphobic

    • Daupkee

      Well, not being attracted to a trans person in particular is definitely not transphobic at all.
      However, stating that you “would not be attracted to trans people” is indeed a transphobic statement, as you are making a generalization based on stereotypes. It is like saying “I am not attracted to left-handed people”. Any reason behind that statement, either if it is “I like my women without an Adam’s apple” or “I like my men strong and masculine” comes from a stereotyped generalization that would not apply to all trans people.

      • Videoguy

        You can have preferences while still being supportive of the LGBTQ community

        • Daupkee

          Agree. You can prefer someone with a fit body, or you can be into red haired girls, or you’d prefer it if they have a big d**k, but the topic above is not about preferences.

          • pgok

            ??? It is entirely about dating preferences. Most people would rather date someone of the opposite biological and phenotypic sex (i.e., XX-Female dating XY-Male). That would be their (strong) preference, by definition.

          • Daupkee

            Like I said, if you want them black, tall, funny, hipster vegetarian or smart, that’s a preference and that’s fine. But trans people come in all sizes, colors, ethnicities and personalities so, if you wouldn’t date someone FOR THE SOLE REASON of them being trans, that my friend is the definition of transphobia.

          • pgok

            I’m sorry, are you judging other people’s personal sexual preferences and then claiming that they’re the bigots? Wanting to date someone of the opposite genetic sex is, by definition, a preference and a pretty common one at that (~75% according to YouGov). You can’t change someone’s sexual preference by calling them -phobic.

          • Daupkee

            I am not judging anybody’s sexual preferences mate… “Trans” is not a gender, trans people come as men, women, and those who identify with both/neither, so you can be a straight man and be attracted to a woman that happens to be trans ya’know?! It won’t make you less straight and your preference remains the same: “women”. The fact that you completely shut down that possibility solely because she is trans is transphobia mate and I am sorry if that hits a sensitive spot on you but it is what it is.

          • pgok

            A sexual preference can go beyond the preference of the other person’s sex. You are trying to expand the definition of transphobia to the point where most people will be very comfortable being transphobic because you’re demanding that they change their sexual preferences (i.e., what they prefer in a sexual partner) in order for them to not be considered transphobic.

            You haven’t hit a sensitive spot. I literally do not care if you think I’m transphobic if that is your definition. I think you’ve crafted a definition wherein people will be very comfortable being transphobic (again 75% + would not date someone who had formerly been another gender. Less that 20% would, the missing % is non-response etc.) If you’re accusing the vast majority of people of being transphobic, including those who have fought for their rights, you will run out of allies pretty quick.

          • Octopus of Disapproval

            It’s much higher than that. It’s somewhere between 91%-97%. Estimates have LGBT percentage of the pop being between 3-9%. Obviously, you were being generous in your estimates. On the other hand, I would much prefer to date a woman. I would love it if I were attracted to women. But alas, I am heterosexual and desire men. What a travesty of justice.

          • pgok

            Sorry, I should have been clearer. The poll was specifically asking if (heterosexual I think) people would be willing to date someone who was transgender. About 15-20% of people said they would, about 75% said they wouldn’t and the remainder was non-response. You are correct though that the heterosexual population is at a minimum 90% of the population.

    • Octopus of Disapproval

      Does no one else think this is just clickbait, designed to get people defensive.

  • The endless storm

    this is a sad sad world we live in

  • TotallyNotPax

    Here Lies Firedorn, a hero in bed.
    He once was alive, but now he’s dead.
    The last woman he bedded, turned out a man.
    And crying in shame, off a cliff he ran.

    • m4a4

      I feel like I’ve seen a version of that before….

      • Mym Zy

        I think it was on a game and this phrase was written by a backer and got a backlash and was removed from the game (cant recall the game)

        • m4a4

          Yeah, I remember something like that. Was kinda stupid about all the backlash as it added some character (it’s just that sensitive people found out about the joke and complained).

  • m4a4

    I was once a man trapped in a woman’s body, and then I was born.

    • benjammin1701

      I’m a lesbian trapped in a man’s body

  • Charlie

    Successful bait article

  • Daupkee

    Not being attracted to a trans person in particular is definitely not transphobic at all.
    However, stating that you “would not be attracted to trans people” is indeed a transphobic statement, as you are making a generalization based on stereotypes. It is like saying “I am not attracted to left-handed people”. Any reason behind that statement, either if it is “I like my women without an Adam’s apple” or “I like my men strong and masculine” comes from a stereotyped generalization that would not apply to all trans people.
    And to the “funny” dude replying above: sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.

    • Octopus of Disapproval

      Plenty of people have preferences within the subset of gender. Skin, hair & eye color; body hair, breast size, penis size, body fat content (either too much or too little), posture, intelligence, ability, humor, socioeconomic status, interests, culture, religion, etc.
      I mean following your logic, if anyone is not attracted to anyone else, they are thereby phobic of that demographic.
      I’ve skimmed some of your responses to this post. I kind of think you’re trolling people.

      • Daupkee

        Of course people have preferences within genders!!! There are heterosexual people, gay people, bisexual people and the list gets longer as we speak when you include pansexuals, asexuals etc. What I have been saying is that “trans” is not a gender per se. If you are, for example, a straight woman, you could be attracted and fall in love with a man that used to be a woman, without even knowing it (trust me, not all trans men look like lesbian butchers, and not all trans women look like drag queens. You’d be shocked!) Depending on his stage of trans and life choices, he may or may not have a penis. If you would end the relationship because his penis is too small or too big or ‘feels too fake’ and doesn’t “float your boat” well, that is a valid point and that is a preference. But if you say you wouldn’t be attracted to him in the first place JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT HE USED TO BE A WOMAN, is transphobia. And I have failed to deliver my point every time. I am definitely not trying to call people ‘phobic’ based on a preference, and I am certainly not a troll, so I just won’t keep trying, sorry. You guys win!

        • Octopus of Disapproval

          I live in Oakland and work and do theatre in SF. The only thing that shocks me is the cognitive dissonance and callousness of republicans.

  • Kilya

    I wish we could just burn the world down and start over. People are truly retarded.

    Next thing you’re gonna hear is not wanting to date people with AIDS is AIDSPhobic. You shouldn’t have to disclose you have AIDS.

  • Alex2612

    Personally people should be forthcoming. I like to date and subsequently marry a man who is potent which just isn’t gonna happen if he was born in a woman’s body.

  • benjammin1701

    In all seriousness, NOT telling a potential partner that you used to be the gender that person is not attracted to is really not much different than not telling them you used to be a heavy drug user, or a bank robber, or take your pick. It’s about honesty, especially regarding something that may be a deal breaker.

  • Shai Hulud

    “get on your knees and really practice some acceptance, you bigot” Jim Norton

  • RaddClaw

    Not it’s not, this is bullshit… I have great respect for trans people but if I’m not attracted to them is not because I’m transphobic is because I’m just not fucking physically attracted, I have no control over that (even though I’ve been told a hundred times that I chose to be gay)

  • Octopus of Disapproval

    I think this is click bait, to make people defensive.

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